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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 518

                           Thursday, January 9th 1992

Today's Topics:

                             Re: UFORA DIGITAL BOOK
                                  Re: Suicides?
                                    Mysticism
                           Re: Re^2: Firsthand Account
                         An Interesting Development ...
                         An Interesting Development ...
                                 Moynihan's Bill
                                  UFO Suicides?
                              Re: hieronymous, etc.
                                  Crop Circles
                                  Crop Circles
                            CUFOS Abduction Videotape
                            Fido/Para net boards in t
                                  UFO Magazine
                                  Re: Suicides?
                         An Interesting Development ...
                         An Interesting Development ...
                                   Kidd Drive
                             Australia crop circles
                                     UFOCAT
                                    Visitors
                                  UFO Magazine
                              Rendelsham/Bentwaters

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: UFORA DIGITAL BOOK
Date: 25 Dec 91 05:12:00 GMT

Hi Vlad,

Thanks for info on computer "book."  Will have to wait until after my
wallet recovers from Christmas before I can get it, however!

Merry Christmas to Down Under!

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Suicides?
Date: 25 Dec 91 05:20:00 GMT

Hi Jim,

In a recent message, you said something to the effect that the 20 +
witnesses of the Kennedy assassination met with "unfortunate
accidents."  Could you elaborate a bit on this?  I'm dismayed to learn
this, but somehow am NOT surprised.

Best,

Linda

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From: [e-mail] (Pony Godic)
Subject: Mysticism
Date: 24 Dec 91 06:48:00 GMT


 > In reference to telepathic communication, Dr. Barbara Young
 > wishes to
 > correspond on the following subjects.
 > 1. Are you interested in training for telepathic communication.
 > 2. Remote viewing.
 > 3. Movement through time.
 > 4. mystical training.
 >      a)  Excaliber sword.
 > 5. Attainment of knowledge beyond what is written.

Mike,

I'd like to make a tentative enquiry re the above.  Firstly, is a
person on the other side of the world like me eligible.

Of the points listed, I am very interested in developing whatever
latent telepahic abilities I might have.  However, I believe that
there has to be compatibility between sender and receiver and that
messages with emotional and or strong visual content should be employed
rather than cards.  I think cards completely silly myself.  Like trying
to catch a tiger with a picture of a mouse trap.  I must confess
ignorance re remote viewing and movement through time.  Mystical
training doesn't interest me at all.  I like to deal with things in
simple and practical terms.  Excaliber sword is just another "?" to me.
Attainment of knowledge beyond what is written is another ?.  I think
that clairvoyance is a mix of precognition and telepathy all of which
is left up to the clairvoyant to sort out as best he/she can which
often means imaginative intervention and personal biases coming into
play.  Anyway, I'm raving.  I'm interested in serious psychic
research, but not in courses on spiritual development and especially
not in anything that necessitates me parting with money, so if that's
what the above is, then I've wasted your time with this response.

Cheers,
Pony Godic - UFORA Secretary

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From: [e-mail] (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Re: Re^2: Firsthand Account
Date: 24 Dec 91 07:04:00 GMT


 > My point is: question your senses at night, from experience,
 > depth perception
 > is not as good at night (you can test this by going outside on a
 > very dark
 > starry night and looking straight up, if you have a difficult
 > time remaining
 > steady you will see what I mean). During a full moon, go outside
 > with 4 coins
 > a penny, nickle, dime, and quarter. Estimate mentally which coin
 > held at arms
 > length most closely estimates the size the moon (NEXT FULL DEC
 > 21). Then

What is the purpose of your message?  You are not tellings us something we do
not know. Most of us here, on Paranet, are experienced UFO researchers.

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From: [e-mail] (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: An Interesting Development ...
Date: 24 Dec 91 08:40:00 GMT


 >    In America, there is a high percentage of researchers in UFOs
 > and government secrets that commit suicide. Its very strange but
 > it seems to happen very quick. One minute they are hot on the
 > trail of something big and the next minute they went insane and
 > commited suicide.

Jim,

OK. But why does this happen only in America?
We don't we have that problem here in Australia?

Vlad

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From: [e-mail] (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: An Interesting Development ...
Date: 26 Dec 91 06:36:00 GMT


 > Jim, are there any circumstances under which you will NOT
 > believe that same old chestnut time and time again? Even David
 > Jones, who posted the original message about the supposed
 > "informant", has admitted the whole thing was probably a hoax.

Jim,

In my original statement I said - I had certain doubts about Wendelle
Stevens being "Premier UFO Researcher".

I agree with you again . It is beyond me that anybody can call
Stevens the "premier researcher' when we all know that he was involved
with the Eduard "Billy" Meier case. Enough said.
Vlad

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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Moynihan's Bill
Date: 25 Dec 91 23:28:02 GMT

GL> Why doesn't everyone take some time to write letters to all your
GL> elected officials, both at the State level and the National level?
GL> Write to Moynihan.  Also write to those out of your voting area who
GL> are on the appropriate committees, such as Defense, National Security
GL> (I don't know the names of all the committees).

GL> We all could really get things moving. There *ARE* still some
GL> good people left in Congress/Senate; they will listen if enough
GL> people shout--it's an election year upcoming. I'm not saying
GL> that they are going to open up the files right away, but by making
GL> them address the issue, you make them sweat. It can't hurt, and I
GL> believe it will help somehow. We also need to open all those files
GL> that were closed as 'Top Secret' because of "National Security."
GL> I really don't see how anything else could tell show much in such
GL> a short period of time.

GL> I think this is the opportunity many have been crying for.
GL> What do you all think?

 Greg: I believe you're absolutely correct, and I think you've done such
 a great job here that I'd like to see you carry this one step further.

 I've found through experience that many individuals just won't take the
 initiative to compose a letter and mail it off to their respective
 elected officials. However, if they're provided with a 'fill in the blank'
 type document, the job's a lot more likely to get done.

 How about putting together a petition, and circulating it around the
 networks? See what you got yourself into! <g>

 Thanks,

 Sheldon Wernikoff

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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: UFO Suicides?
Date: 25 Dec 91 23:29:03 GMT


In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <23-Dec-91 08:57> Jim Greenen
wrote:

JG> In America, there is a high percentage of researchers in
JG> UFO's and government secrets that commit suicide....

SW> ...be a bit more specific as to what constitutes "a *high
SW> percentage* of researchers in UFO's". Additionally, how about
SW> elaborating on a few of the more notable ufological suicides?

JG> Well, lets see--- We got Dr. James McDonald, Morris K. Jessup
JG> to name 2. Also according to Lars Hannson, there were 3 this
JG> year that committed suicide. One was the person that uncovered
JG> the Inslaw dealings.

Jim: From what I understand, Jessup's death was ruled accidental.
(I know you're going to claim it was a cover-up). McDonald's death
apparently was a suicide, but has been attributed to chronic
personal difficulties, not something as exotic as his UFO
interests.

Also, you really haven't answered my question as to what
constitutes "a HIGH PERCENTAGE of researchers in UFO's... that
commit suicide". I am looking for a numeric value here.

By "high percentage", am I correct in assuming that you mean higher
than the national average? According to Hewitt Associates,
actuarial consultants, suicide is the observed cause of death in 1
in 1150 of the aggregate U.S. population, a rate of approximately
0.09%. To make any mathematically accurate inference from your
observed data, you would have to demonstrate that greater than 1 in
1150 ufologists commit suicide. Then, even if there was a
significantly higher percentage, you would have to rule out other
variables. For example, frustration is a leading cause of suicide,
and I think you'll agree that ufology is certainly a frustrating
field. You also have to ask yourself exactly what constitutes a
'ufologist'? Think about it.

Take care,

Sheldon


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From: [e-mail] (Kay Mclaughlin)
Subject: Re: hieronymous, etc.
Date: 22 Dec 91 15:32:00 GMT


 JS> opener? HAHAHAHA! That's gonna go in my list of The Ten Most
 JS> Outlandish Claims of All Time.
 JS> Lessee, so far I've got...

 JS> Lizard Man
 JS> Elvis Lives
 JS> Bielek's Philadelphia Story
 JS> The Driver Shot Kennedy
 JS> The Diagram Works as Well as the Machine

 JS> Any other candidates?

The Shroud of Turin?

Regards,
Kay

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From: [e-mail] (Richard Salts)
Subject: Crop Circles
Date: 23 Dec 91 15:59:26 GMT

I have been reading about the phenomena of crop circles for quite a
while in the UFO literature and I have a question about this subject.

In what way are these things supposed to be revelant to UFO's?  I
have no idea where they are supposed to fit into the  UFO mystery but
I see that they are being given a great deal of attention in the
UFO on this echo and so I am curious about how these things "fit" in
with UFO Studies.

 Anyone know?

 ... Rich

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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Crop Circles
Date: 28 Dec 91 06:44:01 GMT



In a message to All <23-Dec-91> Richard Salts wrote:

RS> I have been reading about the phenomena of crop circles for
RS> quite a while in the UFO literature and I have a question about
RS> this subject.

RS> In what way are these things supposed to be revelant to UFO's?
RS> I have no idea where they are supposed to fit into the  UFO
RS> mystery but I see that they are being given a great deal of
RS> attention in the UFO on this echo and so I am curious about how
RS> these things "fit" in with UFO Studies.


Hi Richard,

The purported link is twofold. First of all, eye-witnesses have
recited accounts of UFO's being observed just prior to crop circle
discovery. At present, this evidence is anecdotal, although the
growing number of reports is certainly suggestive that something
*is* being perceived. In the case of the crop circles, I would
prefer to use the term *UAP* (Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon),
since what is being seen may not be "flying" and may not actually
be an "object".

The second correlation to UFO's is a rather tenuous one, but many
people believe that the growing complexity and evolution of the
circles is a sure sign of a "superior intelligence"; and that
intelligence is originating from UFO's.

I hope I have helped a bit with your problem. My advice is to
continue with your studies, keep asking questions, and ultimately
you'll find the answers.

Best of luck,

Sheldon

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Rodeghier)
Subject: CUFOS Abduction Videotape
Date: 26 Dec 91 22:39:00 GMT


 JS>  > In the spirit of Bill Chalker's recent post concerning the new
 JS>  > Australian UFO
 JS>  > book on computer diskette, I wanted to make everyone  in this forum
 JS>  > aware of
 JS>  > the newly-produced Center for UFO Studies videotape on the abduction
 JS>  > phenomenon.
 JS>
 JS> Thanks for making the tape available, Mark. I shall place
 JS> my order as soon as I've cleared up my Christmas bills. It
 JS> sounds like a winner!
 JS>
 JS> By the way, if you are still in need of French translators,
 JS> I have one ready and waiting. I'll send you his address.
 JS>
 JS> Jim
 JS>

Jim,

        Must be time to clear up a little mix up...My name is Mark Rodeghier
but I'm not the same one you are probably thinking of.  The one you deal
with lives in Chicago and is a UFO expert.  At best, I'm probably a distant
cousin of his since much of my family came from Chicago via Italy.  If you
or anyone else knows how I can contact him, pleas let me know.  I would like
to meet my 'twin'.

Mark Rodeghier from Orlando

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Dixon)
Subject: Fido/Para net boards in t
Date: 20 Dec 91 22:50:05 GMT

To: mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble

 On 12-04-91 NCAR!MRC-CRC.AC.UK!SGAMBL wrote...

 > BUFORA has been giving consideration to establishing a UFO board in
 > the UK. There is no immediate launch planned but it is really a case
 > of when rather than if we do it.

 Is there anybody that you know of taking these (and other) echoes in
 the UK? I'm in the UK and currently get my feed from Dieter Hummell,
 but if there's already a UK source being fed then maybe we could come
 to some arrangement? Hope you don't mind me asking but you never know
 unless you ask someone do you? ;-)

Cheers! .............. Steve


 ... OFFLINE 1.24 * Mists Of Avalon BBS! 44-268-284073.
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From: [e-mail] (Ian Harper)
Subject: UFO Magazine
Date: 21 Dec 91 07:34:00 GMT

Hi can you please tell me where i can get a copy of this mag, as it sounds very
interesting. i live in a town in the UK called Basildon and we find it hard to
get hold of this kind of info (that was before we got paranet)
I hope you dont mind me asking? bye for now.......IAN HARPER
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Re: Suicides?
Date: 27 Dec 91 16:14:00 GMT


 LB> Hi Jim,
 LB>
 LB> In a recent message, you said something to the effect that
 LB> the 20 +
 LB> witnesses of the Kennedy assassination met with
 LB> "unfortunate accidents."  Could you elaborate a bit on
 LB> this?  I'm dismayed to learn this, but somehow am NOT
 LB> surprised.
 LB>
 LB> Best,
 LB>
 LB> Linda

  Hi Linda; Hope you had a nice xmas. I can't give you all the
details on this but it has been written up in a few books. I have
somewhere in my scramble mess of a office, the articule on this.
   I was watching a show a couple of weeks ago (I think it was
Geraldo) and she claimed to have been there at the time and her girl
friend took a couple of phot,s during the incident and was approched
by 2 agents of the government and demand that she hand over the
prints (she was butting them in her pocket as her friend was taken
them).
  She was ask why she didn't come forward before this and her reply
was that she is only one of 3 person remaining that were witnesses
to the killing. She also mention that 20+ witness all died within a
short period of time and she didn't want to be the next one.
   There is a lot more to her story then what I told but she said
that they took her up to a room in the Book depostory and was
interrogated for a couple of hours.
   I think that this has been written up in most of the books and
also was mention in the movie JFK. Like I mention before, someone
ran a probability on this happening and his findings were better
then 1 to 1 trillion of this happening. Some of the causes of death:
suicide, hit and run accidents, karate chop to the back of head, car
accidents, etc.     73'S    ---JIM---
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Greenen)
Subject: An Interesting Development ...
Date: 27 Dec 91 16:37:01 GMT


 VG>  >    In America, there is a high percentage of researchers in UFOs
 VG>  > and government secrets that commit suicide. Its very strange but
 VG>  > it seems to happen very quick. One minute they are hot on the
 VG>  > trail of something big and the next minute they went insane and
 VG>  > commited suicide.
 VG> Jim,
 VG>
 VG> OK. But why does this happen only in America?
 VG> We don't we have that problem here in Australia?
 VG>
 VG> Vlad

  I can't answer that question but I would guess that most of the
information that exist on UFOs is kept in the files of the unelected
government in this country or some people call the parallel
government.
   I was headed for Australia 24 years ago to live because I always
had a love for that country. I met my wife a few months before I was
ready to leave and now my Australia money is on her 3rd finger of
her left hand.
  As a Ham operator, I have talked to many in your country and get
this feeling of still wanting to go over there when I talk to them.
Maybe when I hit the lotto I can make my dream come true.
  Sorry for rattling on like that. Back to the subject, if you talk
to some of the people that have been heavly involved in this subject
they will tell you that they have been approched and sometimes
warned to back off. One comes to lite is a couple who I had a chance
to talk to last month, George and Shirley Coyne. They were harrased
just before they left on their trip in September. They have quite a
story to tell.
   Maybe someday these records will be opened and the truth will
come out. Be careful when dealing with this subject and others
during your investigations. A lot of joint adventures going on
between our 2 countries and this country playes hard ball sometimes
when you get too close to the facts.
  73'S    ---JIM---
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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: An Interesting Development ...
Date: 27 Dec 91 23:42:00 GMT


Hooo boyy..we are fixing to get a major thread started on this :-)

The thread thus far is:
+++++++++++++++++++++++

 VG>  > Jim, are there any circumstances under which you will NOT
 VG>  > believe that same old chestnut time and time again? Even David
 VG>  > Jones, who posted the original message about the supposed
 VG>  > "informant", has admitted the whole thing was probably a hoax.
 VG>
 VG> Jim,
 VG>
 VG> In my original statement I said - I had certain doubts
 VG> about Wendelle Stevens being "Premier UFO Researcher".
 VG>
 VG> I agree with you again . It is beyond me that anybody can
 VG> call Stevens the "premier researcher' when we all know that
 VG> he was involved with the Eduard "Billy" Meier case. Enough
 VG> said.

Without getting into a major battle of "who is right, and who ain't"..
I'm curious as to why both Jim Speiser and Vlad feel this way..

I sorta know why Jim is from previous postings..he can elaborate further
on this if he wishes;however Vlad, why does Wendelle's involvement
in the Billy Meier case "taint" him in your eyes?

Also, I'd like to add that in my opinion, I see some parallels with the
Meier case and Gulfbreeze as regards to belief systems in each and as
far as I have been able to tell, there hasn't been conclusive evidence
presented in either case to either prove it or declare both cases a
"hoax". Both of these cases are *religious arguments*, in my opinion.
Which is to say, that some people WILL "believe" that Ed and his
photos are real..and some people WILL NOT. The "nuts and bolts"
people want/need totally irrefutable and absolutely conclusive
proof..ie..the craft itself,metal samples that are rigorously tested
by more than 3 labs..photos/video from several people that all
jived and were tested at JPL..an *actual* "alien"..etc..



Of course,GB wouldn't be the _issue_ it is IF SOMEONE ELSE HAD
PHOTOS OF THE CRAFT OTHER THAN ED..I could also make the same argument
for Billy Meier's case as well I suppose if the Elders and Wendelle
Stevens _were not_ involved.. -OR- if the MUFON investigators hadn't
found the models used by Stevens/Elders in the barn on Billy's
property and..or if actual negs were in the possession of impartial
investigators who *don't* have "hidden agendas". I suppose if we
are going to drag out "chestnuts" in both cases..someone will mention
the missing metal sample that Marcel Vogel had (let's not forget that
he also liked to talk to house plants :-)  I've seen a lot of "Meier
is/has hoaxed the film..the wires are holding up the beamships" type
discussions..but NO PROOF has ever surfaced to substantiate those
claims..no one has PROVED that Meier has hoaxed anything...but
conversly, no independent investigator (other than Stevens/Elders
and the Japanese) has proved Meier's case ABSOLUTELY. It would be
nice if Asket or Semjase would be gracious enough to pose for
pictures :-)

Quite a few people "down here" in Florida have seen the GB type II
craft..but the heart of the issue with GB is that *no one* except
Ed Walters has taken the _type_ of "Ed Craft" photos that he has..mostly,
it's been the "red light" variety. True, there _has_ been obvious attempts
at hoaxes with the balloon-lofted red flares. True, there has been lots
and lots of controversy over Ed's photos and MUFON's out-on-a-limb stance
on GB, Maccabee's stubborness over not turning over the negs for outside
(read=JPL) analysis,Ed's book,etc...


John Powell just posted a very interesting file called "GBUFOS.N91" on the
Fido UFO echo...maybe it will shed more light...or maybe it will add
a bit more fuel to the controversy.

I "believe" that both cases are real..however, I cannot prove them
satisfactorily to skeptics, but that's just my opinion. Every person
has their own index for what kinds of "proof" they will accept as being
real/acceptable to them. To me, both GB and the Meier case are labeled
"religious".

Happy Holidays to ya!

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Kidd Drive
Date: 27 Dec 91 00:11:00 GMT


 >  VG> It is a contraption that will do anything and everything for you.
 > VG> We built one many years ago (from drawings and specifications)
 > VG> but we were scared to try it out.
 >
 > In that case, I'm scared to ask why!
 >
 > Jim

Jim,

I don't blame you.

Vlad

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Australia crop circles
Date: 24 Dec 91 04:09:00 GMT

Thanks to all who have suggested, seriously and tounge in cheek why we
haven't had an outburst of crop circles down this way, despite some
bumper wheat crops here in South Australia.

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: UFOCAT
Date: 24 Dec 91 04:10:00 GMT

Thanks for your reply on this subject Mark, after just finishing four
years part time at Uni, I know what you mean about workload.

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Visitors
Date: 24 Dec 91 04:14:00 GMT

I think I must have been reading far too much material on abductions
recently. I woke up in the middle of last night to distinctly hear a
woman's voice softly calling my first name. I came to consciousness,
and opened my eyes to look around the darkened room. The first thought
which popped into my mind was, "Oh no! Don't let there be anything
there." There wasn't, and I fell back to sleep, mightly relieved that
there really aren't any aliens out there in the middle of the night
implanting us. But, for just a few seconds...

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: UFO Magazine
Date: 24 Dec 91 04:18:00 GMT

There was some talk six months ago about trying to get the mag
distributed down under. Did anything come of this? If not could you
please supply me with the mailing address and current US$ price for a
year's subs and I'll sub direct. The tantalising items I see here, need
to be explored in full with a personal copy. Thanks.

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Rendelsham/Bentwaters
Date: 24 Dec 91 04:24:00 GMT

Hi, I received a copy of the UK Magazine Fortean Times tonight. In it
there is mention of a new book by Jenny Randles on this event. "From
Out of the Blue" is the title. It is apparently a review of the case
from 10 years after the initial investigation. New data and
conclusions. The FT says it is available in the US from Global
Communications, Box 753, New Brunswick NJ 08903 USA-US$18 including
postage.

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